Jeremy writes: Hi Gina,
I read through your blog and I wasn’t able to find the answer to my question, so I thought I’d send an email. Thanks in advance.
Some background: I’m 25 now and I bought a property in 2005 for $195,000 as my primary residence but soon after moved across the country. I turned the property into a rental since the market was so terrible and I could not easily sell it. Each month, I take a large loss between the costs of the property and the rental income. So I’m back to renting it out. My mortgage balance is around $168,000 and is a 30 year fixed at 5.875%. At this point in the amortization schedule, I’m paying around $215 towards principal and around $820 towards interest. In terms of market value, if you use Zillow as an example, we’re looking at around $155,000 (but my gut says maybe less).
Now, the reason for my email: my parents have a HELOC available at prime minus .50% (currently looking at a 2.75% interest rate). They’ve offered to lend me the remaining principal balance to pay off my existing mortgage and start paying down the money I’d borrow on the HELOC. I would cover the interest each month and begin paying the principal down. This could basically flip the interest-to-principal payment ratio that I have currently on my 30 year fixed. Their HELOC is currently interest-only payments until 2014 (with no penalty on payments to principal). After 2014, it converts to P&I payments.
I’d like to look at the scenario not taking into account the whole “borrowing money from family can be a no-no” angle.
* My parents don’t need access to the money they’d be lending me.
* I’d be able to pay the principal amount down much faster by having the interest rate at 2.75% currently (I know it floats, but do you see rates being raised any time soon?). Even if it’s raised to 5.75%, I’d still be ahead. Plus, PMI would be erased at $100 a month.
* Would I definitely lose the mortgage interest deduction (because I would still be paying interest on a loan)? Because the money I’m paying back is still an expense on the rental, would I be able to deduct the costs?
* Without doing anything above, if I sold the rental for whatever I could get, I would have to come to the closing with cash to cover the difference in the mortgage and other closing costs. If I paid off the existing mortgage with the HELOC, after selling the rental, I could pay back a significant chunk with whatever proceeds I get. Then I can continue paying off the difference to my parents.
* I am recently engaged and would like to be able to buy a house to start a family in. At my current income level, having the rental costs and another house is not feasible. Therefore, regardless of using the HELOC, I’m picturing the rental to have a limited time span.
I’m not sure what the best route to take is for a tax strategy around using the HELOC and then selling the property at a loss. I’m actually sure not what to do! In running the numbers from a month to month, it seems to financially make sense. (Although the floating interest rate could be a risk.)
Is there any tax strategy I should be thinking about in this situation? In general, what do you think about my situation? If you have any thoughts or ideas, I would love to hear them. I really appreciate your time.
Thanks very much,
Jeremy
My reply:Hi Jeremy, thanks for visiting.
Out of curiosity, where is this property located? Aside from that you lost me a bit…this is what I got out of what you said above…
* Purchased a primary residence in 2005 for $195,000
* Soon after (we’ll say 2006) you converted the property to a rental
* Now (2008) you’re losing money on the rental, so you want to rent it again? This was the confusing part - but it doesn’t really matter to answer your questions below (I don’t think anyway - I’m assuming it’s still a rental).
I’m not a mortgage lender/broker/banker, BUT I do know that HELOCs have very specific rules (not sure what all of them are) and if you don’t follow them the loan becomes immediately due. So you may want to make sure everything is alright with their loan before you do anything you later regret.
If for some reason you can’t pay your parents back, your parents may lose their home.
You would have to draw up papers with your parents, where your parents are like the “mortgage company”. You would be paying your parents back on a set schedule. The payments would be divided between mortgage interest and principal. The mortgage interest you would be paying them would be deductible for you on your property AND taxable to them as interest income.
In addition, most likely they will NOT get to deduct the interest on their HELOC, certainly not as mortgage interest, but possibly as business or investment interest expense depending on how their tax professional views the situation and loan documents between the two of you.
If you sell the rental at a loss, depending on several other factors such as….how long you’ve been renting vs. had it as a personal residence…whether or not you ever took the home office deduction…your adjusted gross income in the year of sale, etc. - your loss may become deductible. Losses on a personal residence are never deductible.
It’s hard for me to say what would be best in this situation, because from where I stand the relationship you have with everyone involved (your parents and your fiance) as well as your own comfort level is much more important than the tax consequences you would face. Notice I didn’t say “tax benefit”, because when there exists a tax benefit that usually means you lost a lot of money - so in my eyes, “tax benefit” is a misnomer.
Best wishes,
Gina